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RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

slick — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:43:03 GMT

Homosexuality is a sin and it shouldn't be accept any where. Each and everyone of us are free not to accept homosexuality in any way.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

montarok — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:46:40 GMT

[quote][b]chatoyeh2 (1/7/2010)[/b][hr]He who is without SIN, keep casting stones. Don't just judge Montarok, persecute and condemn them. Thats the christian thing to do.[/quote]

Earlier you talked about careless interpretation of the Bible, but what you're doing here is carelessly quoting the Bible. It is a known fact that we are ALL SINNERS. Jesus Christ that you so eloquently quote did not encourage us to continue in sin. All of his teachings is that we should repent and turn to God. You suggestion that because we are ALL SINNERS, and therefore condone sin just can't fly.;)

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

montarok — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:38:07 GMT

[quote][b]sweet potatoe pie (1/6/2010)[/b][hr]Montarok, Regardless of your personal beliefs or opinion on the topic, there is absolutely no reason to label or name call. You are entitled to your feelings but remember the bible also states and stresses the need to love one another, so if you feel someone is doing wrong, show love and pray for them instead.[/quote]

sweet sweet sweet potatoe pie, I do love my homo brothers and les sisters, and I pray for them just like I pray for myself for forgiveness from God.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

chatoyeh2 — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:36:36 GMT

He who is without SIN, keep casting stones. Don't just judge Montarok, persecute and condemn them. Thats the christian thing to do.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

montarok — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:40:40 GMT

[quote][b]what next (1/4/2010)[/b][hr]Montarok- refusing to give homosexuals rights is judging. Most countries recognize common law marriages, isn't that condoning adultery. children are born outside of marriage all the time. People continually have sex without the marriage bond- and they go to Church every Sunday and pray to God like normal. Why shouldn't homosexuals have the same rights as these other sinners without being persecuted. Fagot is a derogatory word right along with the N word. You simple use of the word shows your derision and hate[/quote]

With regards to recognizing common law and condoning adultery, if you read through my posts above, you'll see that I don't support them because its a sin.

Concerning refusing homos rights equals judging. Why is it wrong to judge? What do you think happens in courts around the world? Come to think of it, you just wrote in your post that - "simple use of the word (Fagot) shows your derision and hate" isn't that an example of you passing a judgement on me? I never knew I was supposed to dress a sinful act nicely so as to be acceptable in to society. Also, to think that you actually compare a homo being called a fagot with a race being addressed with the "N" word. WOW the world is in more trouble than I thought.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

sweet potatoe pie — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:38:14 GMT

Montarok, Regardless of your personal beliefs or opinion on the topic, there is absolutely no reason to label or name call. You are entitled to your feelings but remember the bible also states and stresses the need to love one another, so if you feel someone is doing wrong, show love and pray for them instead.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

montarok — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:13:01 GMT

[quote][b]chatoyeh2 (1/4/2010)[/b][hr]Is adultery illegal? Is fornication illegal? Why isn't all "sin" seen in the same light? Why are homosexual to be dealt with more harshly? And it is such careless interpretation of the bible and the so called words of Jesus (which I may add- non of the prophets Mathew, Mark, Luke, nor John are consistent about) that continues to lead to wars and persecution of people all over the world. Its not because of our difference that we have conflict, its because of our failure to respect those differences.[/quote]

"Is adultery illegal? Is fornication illegal? Why isn't all "sin" seen in the same light?" This is the point I've been trying to make in my posts above. Sin is SIN period. Adultery or fornication may not be illegal as per the law of the land, but so is homosexuality. I haven't seen any group coming out to advocate for the rights of adulterers to commit their sinful acts or for fornicators to fornicate. Herein lies the issue at hand, homos want the "legal rights" to commit their sinful acts and that is unacceptable.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

what next — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:23:26 GMT

Montarok- refusing to give homosexuals rights is judging. Most countries recognize common law marriages, isn't that condoning adultery. children are born outside of marriage all the time. People continually have sex without the marriage bond- and they go to Church every Sunday and pray to God like normal. Why shouldn't homosexuals have the same rights as these other sinners without being persecuted. Fagot is a derogatory word right along with the N word. You simple use of the word shows your derision and hate

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

chatoyeh2 — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:36:32 GMT

Is adultery illegal? Is fornication illegal? Why isn't all "sin" seen in the same light? Why are homosexual to be dealt with more harshly? And it is such careless interpretation of the bible and the so called words of Jesus (which I may add- non of the prophets Mathew, Mark, Luke, nor John are consistent about) that continues to lead to wars and persecution of people all over the world. Its not because of our difference that we have conflict, its because of our failure to respect those differences.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

montarok — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:24:11 GMT

[quote][b]Loweezellis (1/2/2010)[/b][hr]I know that this reponse would meet with quite a lot of dissention but I will reply anyway. It appears that the more intellectualized we become then the farther or deeper away we want to push issues of morality. As far as I am concerned truth is not relative. Based on my convictions homosexuality is wrong and people who share similar sentiments should be allowed to voice their positions without being deemed as harbouring homosexual feelings.

We live in a society which is characterised by difference and we should be able to co-exist without reigning violence on those who are different, including the homosexuals. Still, legalising and accepting homosexuality and other immoral activites ultimately will lead to societal suicide.

Chaotyeh, just how is love defined? Surely, that's a corruption of the word.[/quote]

Preach brother!;)

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

montarok — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:21:41 GMT

[quote][b]chatoyeh2 (1/1/2010)[/b][hr]There is one law propose by Jesus himself in this time of grace that you so conveniently quoted- the one is "Love your neighbor as you love yourself"! But beyond that this is really not a biblical discussion and the bible isn't the governance by which many people live.
What gets me is how easily we blame homosexuality for world circumstance. How do you say homosexuals are worse than an adulterer?[/quote]

The law of loving one's neighbour as one's self means to be kind to your neighbour. Part of being kind to your neighbour is to correct them when you see them doing something wrong. You are right about the Bible not being the governance by which a lot of people live, but unfortunately for those who refuse to live by the governance of the Bible, the consequence is grave. Also, you compare an adulterer with a fag? This is my whole point from my earlier posts in this thread. If something is WRONG, there no make-up anyone can put on it to make it right. An adulterer, a fag, a murderer, a robber, a rapist are all the same. Why should fags get the right to commit their sin?

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

slick — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:14:01 GMT

One its not my business when a female is seeing her monthly cycle and this is in response to Aque statement. I am not stopping anyone from be straight or gay. I believe homosexuality is wrong and is stated big and bold in the bible. Each and everyone of us marches to our own beat so don't get offended because i believe homosexuality is wrong.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

Yute — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:02:38 GMT

Truth isnt relative, like wise morality isnt relative either. Neither can it be dictated to us by the so-called academics and intellectuals who believe they possess a monopoly on knowledge and want to attempt to define it for us.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

chatoyeh2 — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:05:44 GMT

Whats is the measuring stick to moral values, who holds it and who decides where other fall short? Is the homosexual behavior actually worse that than that of an adulterer? Why can't homosexual do what they do without some so called heterosexual getting violently offensive?

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

Yute — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:57:13 GMT

I know that this reponse would meet with quite a lot of dissention but I will reply anyway. It appears that the more intellectualized we become then the farther or deeper away we want to push issues of morality. As far as I am concerned truth is not relative. Based on my convictions homosexuality is wrong and people who share similar sentiments should be allowed to voice their positions without being deemed as harbouring homosexual feelings.

Chaotyeh, just how is love defined? Surely, that's a corruption of the word.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

chatoyeh2 — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:09:27 GMT

There is one law propose by Jesus himself in this time of grace that you so conveniently quoted- the one is "Love your neighbor as you love yourself"! But beyond that this is really not a biblical discussion and the bible isn't the governance by which many people live.
What gets me is how easily we blame homosexuality for world circumstance. How do you say homosexuals are worse than an adulterer?

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

montarok — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:17:59 GMT

Personally, I am not promoting violence towards fargs. Yes its true that God is the ultimate judge, that does not mean that when someone is doing something contrary to the instructions of God, we shouldn't correct such a person. I agree that we should be able to co-exist, but not to the point if giving fagots "rights" to commit sin. While we're at it, we might as well give "rights" to adulterers, fornicators, murderers et al. What changed the game was homos fighting for "rights" to commit SIN.

BTW Aque, this is what you should realize with regards to your eg. of a woman with period, we live in the time of grace. Certain laws that apply during the time of the law does not apply now. - John 1: 17.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

Aque — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:30:09 GMT

It has always amazed me how the masses find refuge in the words of the Bible at their convenience, only to support their beliefs and way of life. Interestingly enough, the Bible states quite a few things as sins as well as the repercussions or punishments that should be handed out for such behavior. Hey Slick, I hope you make your wife/woman stay in the outhouse when she is seeing her period, because the Bible makes it clear that all else is unacceptable.
Now that we have established that, what we need to do is take into account other denominations. Islam for example, are we saying that it is okay for them to sentence a woman to death for being adulterous?
Obviously this is a delicate issue but it is amazing at the resolution that my fellow bloggers have found to be acceptable. The problem of homophobia has much deeper implications that just the abhorrence of homosexuals. It has been proven that quite a few of YOU are actually fostering those feelings deep inside for quite a while and there is a constant battle between your two selves to suppress that which is deemed unacceptable. Once one is secure in their sexuality, I can't imagine why we can't co-exist without resorting to violence or isolation.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

what next — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:11:26 GMT

I fully agree with. Homosexuality should be a crime...and while we are at it so should adultery. Anyone having sex outside of marriage should be punished. One thing I remember from the bible is " he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone" . People like to judge, and cast stones as if they live their lives according to God. Sin is Sin and it is up to God to judge. As for advocating violence.... pointless....violence is only an outlet for your hate. Even the devil can preach the words of God, after all Satan was an angel. I leave judging to my God but in the meantime I am not filling myself with hate...though i must admit i have to conscientiously working at liking people.I love dogs though.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

chatoyeh2 — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:19:39 GMT

I live in a world where 2 people can hardly find common ground- A world that has been in a state of constant violent conflict for as long as I can remember. And amidst this, 2 people are able to find love, and love each other- why should it matter if they are of the same sex? What is this evil that they have committed which warrants any form of violence be directed to them? Does their act awaken some level of insecurity among us heterosexuals? Are those of you who feel offended and insight violence, have no confidence in who you are, and the example to you set? Are we not strong enough or capable enough to raise our children to accept our sexual or relational norms? What really is our fear in relation to homosexuality?

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

montarok — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:03:45 GMT

I totally agree with you slick. I think there should be a law passed criminalizing homosexual acts. What's the difference between a homo and a murderer? Both acts are sin against God. The whole world is fast heading towards destruction. People, we don't have to accept this evil.

RE: Homosexuality or Homophobia?

slick — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:18:04 GMT

The problem is homosexuality. People are dubbed homophobics because homosexuality is given the wholesale endorsement by the news media. Look at what happening these days, to opposed homosexuality has become the sin rather than the homosexuality itself. Homosexuality is socially destructive and morally wrong to the law of God. I don't think it need to be accepted in the caribbean and if violence is the cure lets cure it.

Homosexuality or Homophobia?

chatoyeh2 — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:15:42 GMT

Is homosexuality a problem in the Caribbean? Or is the real issue homophobia? Is the fight with the homosexual or is that Caribbean people need to adjust their fear and reaction to what is now acceptable in most other regions? Film maker Kareem Mortimer of the Bahamas addresses this issue in his film "[url]"Children of God"[/url]". Does the act of homosexuality Justify feelings of anger and the violence actions toward homosexual on a moral ground?